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Wednesday, 20 September 2006

No Arms Race at Our Place

Hi Friends,

A number of Wellington Young, and not so young, Friends (SOYFA) gathered on Friday 8 September to share concerns and thoughts about what is happening at Te Papa again this October. The feeling among all present was that it was something we wanted to continue to discuss and to take action against, in a distinctly Quakerly way.

Over the last four years, the Defence Industry Association has been hosting a conference at ‘Our Place’ Te Papa Tongarewa. It’s an Arms Fair, where international companies, as well as NZ companies, get together to have a big old show-off about the latest and greatest in weapons technology. They sign contracts and make deals to further their own interests. These people are making a profit by producing killing machines, and better yet, they’re doing it in our national museum.

International companies who attend the Weapons Conference include

· Boeing, who, among other things, make cruise missiles;

· General Dynamics, whose killing machines include nuclear submarines for the United States Navy; and

· Rockwell Collins, who provide navigation products for precision-guided missiles, the so-called 'smart' bombs that have been killing civilians in towns and cities all over Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and now Lebabnon.

New Zealand companies who attend the Weapons Conference include

· Flexisolutions from Foxton, whose creatively named weapons include the "Jungle Sweeper grenade";

· MAS Zengrange from Lower Hutt, who make a whole range of remote firing systems;

· Oscmar from Auckland, who make 'realistic' shoot-to-kill laser training equipment, infantry weapons effects simulators, shoulder launched anti-tank weapon simulators, land mines effects simulators, (and more!); and

· Rakon from Auckland, who make key components in "smart bombs" and has a contract with Rockwell, who supplies the Israeli Military Forces. (Attached below to this blog is article (heavily edited to aid digrestion) from the NZ Herald about Rakon.

The bombs dropping in Lebanon right now have components labelled "Made In NZ". As taxpayers supporting the Ministry of Defence and Ministry and Trade and Industry NZ, we are helping to fund the manufacture of these bombs.

Every day global military expenditure is equivalent to (US) $ 2,835,616,438. (That’s in the billions my friends)

Every day, on average, close to thirty thousand children under the age of five die from malnutrition or disease because they do not have access to adequate food, clean water, or basic health care. Thousands more children are maimed, traumatised or killed in armed conflict and war.

Knowing this, the New Zealand government chooses to promote and support companies that manufacture and export weapons related products.

This is why we, Wellington Young Friends, have chosen to have a presence at the Weapons Conference at Te Papa, on the 17th and 18th of October, and to take action before the event to try and prevent it happening.

We each made a commitment to talk to people we know about the Conference, to help bring it to more peoples’ attention, and we began have begun to make plans of other ways we can protest this event.

Other groups, such as Peace Movement Aotearoa and Peace Action Wellington will be protesting at Te Papa, as they have done previous years, and their campaign was launched on Saturday the 2nd of September.

If you’re interested to hear more about what SOYFA does to stop the Weapons Conference, you could contact Hannah Newport (04) 3835887 or Ruth Collingham (04) 3813429.

If you’re interested in knowing more about the Conference, companies who attend, and other protests are taking place, visit:

www.peacewellington.tk

www.converge.org.nz/pma/nowarp.htm

www.indymedia.org.nz

Attatched at the bottom of this blog is an article written by a member of Peace Action Wellington about last year’s protest (Urs_article.doc).

To read an amazing letter which the Students for Justice in Palestine wrote to the Manager of Te Papa visit:http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/71640/index.php

And lastly:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3789971a10,00.html

"Prime Minister Helen Clark said yesterday that the Cabinet had agreed to lend Right Hemisphere up to $US8m ($NZ12.2m) over three years to keep the joint-venture company and its staff in New Zealand... The company designs software for several US military suppliers, including Black Hawk helicopter manufacturer Sikorsky Aircraft, Bell Helicopter, Halliburton, the principal supplier to US armed forces in Iraq, and Lockheed Martin, the world's largest defence contractor."

In Peace

Hannah

 


Urs_article.doc
Edited RAKON article.doc

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Monday, 14 August 2006

Exempt bodies . . .

Hey guys,

This is a little random . . . but hopefully interesting! I've been thinking lately about marriage/civil unions and how they fit with my beliefs. I just had a look at the Births, Deaths and Marriages website (Dept. of Internal Affairs) www.bdm.govt.nz and found the following information about organisations that are exempt from the standard requirements around marriage/civil unions. My understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Quakers are one of these groups. I'm not entirely sure what form the Quaker exemption takes, so if anybody knows please could they post it here?! The basic tone of my wonderings is this:

1. Do I feel a standard marriage/civil union would fit comfortably with my beliefs?

2. If not, would a Quaker wedding/civil union?

3. If not, is anybody else in the same boat, and should we start up a new 'body' and apply for a new exemption so that we could have important and legally recognised ceremonies of this sort that are consistent with our beliefs/values?

My current feeling is that I don't quite like standard marriage/CU requirements because you have to say who you're being married "by". If I get married I intend to marry myself, lol, not be acted upon by some random third party. Even if that 3rd party was Quakers, I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with that. I've been reading again about medieval marriage and it appeals to me that, historically, any two people could marry each other by simply making a statement to that effect. I know this will seem really petty to some people, but it really grates on me that I can't just do that! When did the other rules sneak in?

Anyway, looking forward to hearing your wise words, and here's the bit about exempt bodies from the Civil Union Act 2004 (available on line from: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/browse_vw.asp?content-set=pal_statutes&clientid=157055&viewtype=contents)

Civil Union Act 2004

Section 1.

EXEMPT BODIES

1.Application to become exempt body—

(1)A body that wishes to become an exempt body must apply to the Registrar-General for exemption in the prescribed form.

(2)The application must set out—

(a)the name and contact address of the body; and

(b)the objects and beliefs of the body; and

(c)the approximate number of its members who are of or over the age of 16; and

(d)an explanation of why the objects and beliefs of the body are inconsistent with the requirements of this Act for the solemnisation of a civil union; and

(e)the rules and procedures that the body proposes to apply when solemnising a civil union.

(3)The application must be signed by at least 10 members of the body who are of or over the age of 16, each of whom must give their age and address, and the signatures must be accompanied by a statutory declaration, signed by a person who is not a member, to the effect that the signatories are who they claim to be and are members of the body.

2.Registrar-General or Minister may grant exemption—

(1)The Registrar-General may agree to grant the exemption applied for if any prescribed application fee is paid and the Registrar-General is satisfied that—

(a)the objects and beliefs of the body are inconsistent with the requirements of this Act for the solemnisation of a civil union; and

(b)the rules and procedures that the body proposes to apply when solemnising a civil union are generally consistent with this Act and are otherwise satisfactory.

(2)If the Registrar-General fails or refuses to agree to exempt the body, he or she must refer the matter to the Minister.

(3)The Minister must agree to grant the exemption sought if he or she is satisfied as to the matters referred to in subclause (1), but, if the Minister is not so satisfied, he or she must refuse the application.

(4)The Registrar-General must advise the applicant of the result of the application.

(5)When the Registrar-General or the Minister agrees to exempt a body from the requirements of this Act for the solemnisation of a civil union, the Registrar-General must give notice in the Gazette of that fact, and the body is exempt from the date specified in the notice.

3.Exempt body to notify changes—

(1)An exempt body must notify the Registrar-General if—

(a)it changes its name; or

(b)it changes its objects and beliefs in a way that impacts on why it considers that the requirements of this Act for the solemnisation of a civil union are inconsistent with those objects and beliefs; or

(c)it changes its rules and procedures for solemnising civil unions.

(2)If the body notifies the Registrar-General that it has changed its name, the Registrar-General must give notice of that fact in the Gazette.

(3)The Registrar-General must ask the Minister to cancel the exemption of an exempt body if the Registrar-General is satisfied that,—

(a)as a result of changes referred to in subclause (1)(b) or (c), the body should no longer be an exempt body; or (b)the body has failed to conduct one or more civil unions in accordance with its rules and procedures as most recently notified to the Registrar-General.

(4)If the Minister decides that the body should no longer be an exempt body, the Registrar-General must give notice in the Gazette that the body is no longer an exempt body, and notify the body accordingly.

(5)A body ceases to be an exempt body on the date on which the notice referred to in subclause (4) is published in the Gazette.

16.Solemnisation by exempt body—

(1)A civil union may be solemnised by an exempt body if it is solemnised in accordance with the rules and procedures of the body as most recently notified to the Registrar-General in accordance with Schedule 1.

(2)When a civil union is solemnised by an exempt body, the obligations imposed on civil union celebrants by section 62B of the Births, Deaths, and Marriages Registration Act 1995 must be performed by the person or office holder, or in the manner, as set out in the rules and procedures of the exempt body that have been most recently notified to the Registrar-General in accordance with Schedule 1.

God @ 20:51 PM   Add Comment

Marion I think the Quaker way could sit well with you. To update Georgie, Quakers marry each other by making promises to each other in the presence of God and witnesses. All the witnesses sign the certificate to say they were there, and also as part of their promise to help uphold the marriage in the future (quite a commitment upon them!! - to pay back for food etc at the reception!) I think the 'God' in question is the god of the two people marrying so that is open to your interpretation. The vows are also your own. The suggested versions use the words "with God's love" and "with divine intervention" but I believe these stem from the British system where what vows you make are based in the law. This is not the case here in NZ, so I presume you can say what you want. I believe, Quakers are only allowed to marry their own in law (ie you can't walk off the street and say you'd like to be married in a Quaker Meeting), so you do have to be an active member/attender/offspiring of such. (08/18/06)

Leith Pugmire Ahh, sorry guys, and thanks Anna . . . there I go trying to impersonate God again, lol. The above post was from me :) (08/16/06)

anna d Leith is this your post? I'm assuming so... 16.01 For the right joining in marriage is the work of the Lord only, and not the priests' or magistrates'; for it is God's ordinance and not man's; and therefore Friends cannot consent that they should join them together: for we marry none; it is the Lord's work, and we are but witnesses. George Fox, 1669 (taken from Britain YM Quaker faith & Practice - the 'red book') Whilst the legal bits may say a marriage/civil union has been done 'by' Quakers the Quaker bits of it all don't! However I'm not sure how current practice based on Fox's quote above sits with your atheist beliefs (I'm sure that's not the right word...) (08/16/06)

Jonathan I did this recently, and I don't think we wrote anything in for who married us. It was signed by the registrar, but not as if they had done it. C-L has the copy of the licence somewhere if it needs to be checked. I have an objection to Quaker Civil Unions. In my understanding, there is the Quaker marriage, and then a legal form filled in for convenience. A civil union seems to only be about the legal recognition, so the Quaker part recognised by God doesn't seem to have a place. The problem then is that the law recognises same sex civil unions but not marriages, so I'll support Quaker Marriages legally recognised as civil unions if anyone requests it. (08/21/06)


Boundaries and nurture in Quaker Meeting

How precious is an hour of Meeting for Worship (or what ever you care to call it) each week?

At the Young Friends group in Wellington yesterday we talked about the meeting and what we valued about it. We also talked about how our physical behaviour contributed to our experience. In small groups we talked a little about all sorts of things including those of us who fidgeted through the whole hour, those who struggled to be on time each week, and those who loved the few times they felt really still and centred.

We wondered about whether we have any 'rules' of behaviour for Meeting, and if these are necessary. Do we need complete silence to gather together; is it the silence that's important, or the being together?Does it matter if people are coming in late for up to half an hour? Does it matter if people make a lot of noise with their clothes, sweet wrappers or books during Meeting?

We also wondered about whether it is good to have some people in the meeting whose task it is to specifically uphold the 'worship' or 'gatheredness'. Traditionally people have been asked to do this and these people were called Elders. Now Elders have a lot more 'jobs' in the Meeting, and this isn't their only role. Other people say 'everyone's an elder' so you don't need people who are concentrating on it specifically, as everybody should be.......

If we are going to only meet together once a week for an hour (or less), is it worth taking collective responsibility to be on time and share that whole time together, or are we too busy these days to make that sort of commitment? Is everyone only responsible for and accountable to, themselves, or is there collective resopnsibility and accountability? Is Meeting for Worship a free for all, with everything said in ministry or done during the hour OK, or are there some boundaries? (mostly unwritten...this is Quakers after all....!!!) Of course if you bring up any scenario, there will always be an exception in which it was alright, but can there be some general guidelines, or do we not need them? Do we value or even need any structure?

If we don't need any guidelines to help further our spiritual journey together, then do we need people to be elders. Are they an outdated modality and we have now moved on. Is tolerance the only thing we can agree on, so we don't ask for any other commonality between us for fear of scaring people away? Is tolerance the only tenet of Quakerism or is the Spirit and our collective as well as individual understanding of it important?

These are some of the areas we are exploring in Wellington Meeting as we try to find the right way forward for our meeting for worship and our elders.

About 20 people were at the SOYFA group last night, and I'm sure some of them will have additions to this posting. There were lots of interesting stories and ideas. Many of you weren't there - is this something worth exploring, or is it not relevant to us as YF's?

I'd be really interested to know your thoughts......

Marion

(PS there's an article on the history of elders in Quakers, which I can post here if people want me to....)


Marion's Observations on Eldership.doc

God @ 04:47 AM   Add Comment

Leith Pugmire Kia ora Marion, yes please post the article on the history of Quaker elders :) I'd like to see it. (08/14/06)

Marion elders document now posted.... happy reading, and sorry for the delay. (08/20/06)


Thursday, 10 August 2006

Wellington YFs August

Just a reminder that this Sunday 13 August, 6pm will be the next Young Friends meeting in Wellington - all welcome! We will attempt to cover two themes: (1) Eldership and its relationship to the Meeting for Worship. What is precious to us in Meeting for Worship and how do each of us enrich this? Is it useful to ask certain people to help with this and are these people elders? We shall explore why Quakers have elders and what they do (and don't do). If we have time we'll also look at the future of elders in our society. (2) We will also be concerned with (over worship and dinner), the current situation in the Middle East and links with Friends there, and with the up-coming armaments fair at Te Papa and whether we wish to take any action. As always it will be at the Quaker Centre (Moncrief St, Wellington) with the usual format: 6.00 Meeting for Worship 6:30 Shared potluck dinner 7:30 Worship sharing/discussion 9.00 Close Hope to see you there! Frances for Wellington YFs

God @ 18:42 PM   Add Comment

anna d If anyone wants to join the session after the meal through skype we can try - but the internet connection hasn't been great lately so no promises! Let me know annadunford@yahoo.co.uk if you want to join in that way. (08/10/06)


Wednesday, 05 July 2006

Online Meeting for Worship

In Wellington this Sunday (9 July) I will be leading a session with our YF group about 'Quakers on the internet', looking at the blogs and other resources available. As part of the session we will be doing a short 'Online Meeting for Worship', at some point between 8.30pm and 9pm. It would be lovely if you could join us - either in person: Wellington Quaker Centre, Moncrieff St, 6pm for 'normal' Meeting for Worship, 6.30pm for shared meal (bring food...) and 7.30pm for discussion, or in person online: http://worship.quaker.org , 8.30pm onwards. And if you can't make it at that time, have a look at the site anyway, as there is often a meeting going on at all sorts of times (and places - this is an international site, and bear in mind that the time zones don't seem to be quite right at the moment)

Hope to see you (somewhere) soon,

Love, Frances

God @ 19:53 PM   Add Comment

Frances Hopkins Thanks for coming folks! (07/09/06)

anna d We're thinking of having a regular online Meeting for Worship say once a month for half an hour on a Sunday evening. Anyone got any time/day etc preferences? (07/14/06)


Sunday, 11 June 2006

Questions about becoming "Aotearoa New Zealand Young Friends Meeting"

Hey People

The following posts are questions we would like you to post responses to.

They are all related to giving us a firmer idea and understanding of why we as a collective group want to become a formal structure in our own right.

The more feedback the better so the Young Friends Committee can take it to Yearly Meeting and answer with confidence the questions we invisage being asked!

Ultimately the information that we gather from this will also start to drive actual process of becoming "Aotearoa New Zealand Young Friends Meeting"

cheers! Ben (on behalf of the YF Committee)

God @ 21:26 PM   Add Comment

Why?

Why do we as Young Friends want to become a formal structure in our own right?

God @ 21:18 PM   Add Comment

Leith Because, to paraphrase Avon's comment below, we already are a coherent and important quaker group. The only new bit here is the 'formal' part. Young Friends have a structure, we have traditions, we have ways of doing things. To some extent I feel we are defined by our commitment to accepting people on any grounds . . . I think we really live the 'no dogma, no creed' stuff. We don't require anything of our members - not even their presence. Perhaps we are slightly more insulated from the discourses about being a 'good' quaker that are inherent in the workings of Friends more generally. One of the things that scares me is that in the process of becoming recognised by YM and the wider Friend's community we might be tempted to lose some of these strengths. Perhaps we'll offer greater involvement, or more administration, or more gatherings. I've got nothing against any of these things as an individual, but I think we need to be very careful about the idea we as a group are being 'given' something and therefore need to reciprocate. My intention was never to take on more responsibility or to change YFs. In some ways we have a lot to offer precisely because we are, in general, less involved. We hold in trust the element of critique . . . of being reflexive about quaker processes. Curses, have forgotten what the questions was in the first place lol . . .never mind, hopefully you get the gist :) (07/12/06)

Anna D, Marion, Frances and Julian (at dinner at Frances' in Wellington)

To facilitate being able to consider issues that are of relevance to YFs that come from Yearly Meeting, but also to be in a position take to YM, the concerns of YFs.

To enable us to better keep track of YFs, because we know that local Meetings sometimes struggle to do this, due to YFs not always being known to their local Meetings, and/or may not regularly be in touch with their local Meetings.

To give us a forum to communicate more regularly, and to broaden the scope of the things we can do (ie more than just having fun at a camp once a year).

To give isolated YFs a means of being a meaningful part of a Quaker community and providing a support network for them.

To give YFs the kind of experience that will enable us to take a fuller part in the life of the Yearly Meeting, as we grow up and on from just being involved in YFs, recognising that this transition may happen at any age.

From the experience of longstanding YFs they have greatly appreciated having travel expenses & accommodation covered by the YM/MM when they were penniless and this commitment to them has bourn fruit from their continued involvement with Friends and financial contributions once able.

(06/12/06)


What is it?

What do we invisage "Aotearoa NZ Young Friends Meeting" as being?

God @ 21:17 PM   Add Comment

Julian, Anna D, Frances, Marion A national group, connected virtually, a more cohesive group enabling local YF groups to do things. We could be getting together all in person, more than once a year at YF camp. This could perhaps be three or four times a year (YF camp, SG, a couple of long weekends, maybe at the settlement once a year (Queens Birthday weekend?). If we are a Meeting it would be easier for us to budget over the course of a year in a coordinated way for travel and other expenses etc. (06/12/06)

Leith Aotearoa/NZ Young Friends Meeting is just us. We made it up, remember? (07/12/06)

Avon Although agreeing with all of the above, I would also note that the minute was not so much about becoming something different, but rather formalising something that already exists: a coherent and distinct group of Quakers called Young Friends. (06/19/06)

Leith Pugmire Yup . . . I'm with Avon there. I don't want this to be seen as a 'YFs finally pulling their socks up and doing something right' kinda thing lol. I think there's a risk of raising other Friends' expectations about what YFs will do . . . and a risk of alienating YFs if we start talking too much about being more involved or whatever :) (07/12/06)


What will change?

How is becoming "Aotearoa New Zealand Young Friends Meeting" going to change the way Young Friends works?

God @ 21:16 PM   Add Comment

Ben I would like to think that it would mean Young Friends take a greater role within the winder Quaker Community, have responsibilites, have a valid voice etc etc. But I think that it should also mean a greater amount of autonomy when it comes to our own decision making (06/21/06)

Julian, Anna D, Frances, Marion

More structured planning and budgeting on an annual basis

More events? More fun!

Greater cohesion within the YF community. Increase the size of the active YF community and wider involvement in decision making processes.

(06/12/06)

Leith . . . so my answer, basically, is 'it won't'. (07/12/06)

Leith Hmm, well here's where I disagree I guess (lovingly lol). I don't want young friends to change. I'm perfectly happy with the idea it might, but that's not what this minute is about for me. I simply think it would be nice if young friends were judged on their own terms :) (07/12/06)


How?

How are we going to go about the process of becoming our own formal structure (General Meeting or whatever)?

God @ 21:14 PM   Add Comment

Marion, Frances, Julian, Anna D

Ask YM for their input, blessing, help & support!

Open consultation within A/NZ YF community and research how YFs have set themselves up within other YMs – and learn from their experiences.

(06/12/06)

Leith Well, my thoughts are more along the lines of 'with a lot of thought, taking as long as it takes, and being more concerned about the process than the outcome'. Consensus, in my opinion, is more than just the absense of objections. (07/12/06)


Who?

Who is going to make this happen?

God @ 21:12 PM   Add Comment

Frances, Marion, Julian, Anna D Any of us with energy and enthusiasm for it, supported by YF Committee co-ordinating this process (06/12/06)

Ben I think it's going to come down to those with the energy and drive to do this. I imagine that while most YF's support this in principle, many don't really care to much if it happens or doesn't. Therefore there is a real onus to those who feel strongly about it, to step up and make it happen. I think the committee is happy to help facilate it, but it's going to take the energy of those really passionate about this to make it happen (06/21/06)

Leith Hmmm . . . don't really like the idea of a few people 'making' it happen. Can't we just leave it to god or something?? (07/12/06)


The Role of Quakers

What is the role we want the wider Quaker Community to play in this process?

God @ 21:11 PM   Add Comment

Frances, Julian, Anna D, Marion Giving us their knowledge, their encouragement, their suggestions and their support. (06/12/06)

Leith Yup, all that :) And wouldn't hurt if they were patient :) Good things take time lol. (07/12/06)


When?

What is the time frame we expect to accomplish this in or the various parts/stages?

God @ 21:10 PM   Add Comment

Leith Right, I'm gonna be the dissenting voice again. I am one of the staunchest supporters of this minute, but I am a little horrified by the idea of there being any kind of time frame associated with it. I am very conscious of the risk of alienating some YFs if we have a few people doing all this 'important work' and others being left behind or feeling guilty they aren't more involved. And, more importantly for me, a time frame just kinda misses the point. This is not about change, it's about making everyone feel warm and fuzzy about how cool YFs are already. We already do things in our own way . . . live Quaker values in our own way . . . place importance on different things (relationships, for example, rather than committee membership, or financial contributions, or Meeting attendence). There isn't a new place we're trying to get to, so there's no need to have an itinerary :) (07/12/06)

Frances, Julian, Anna D, Marion Over the next year or two perhaps? So maybe something like:

  • getting blessing and input at YM
  • then research and planning how we we might structure it during the rest of the year
  • debating it a bit at Summer Gathering
  • agreeing on everything and putting it in place at YF camp 2007
  • acceptance by YM mid 2007
(06/12/06)

Avon Again, I agree (and my lack of comments on the other questions can also be taken as agreement). However, given the time and energy it took just to create The Minute, I would expect it to possibly take more than one YF camp to finalise Everything Else...:o) (06/19/06)


Saturday, 27 May 2006

YF Committee Meeting Minutes 21-05-06

Present at the meeting were: Thomas Watts, Ben Watts, Julian Carver, Sue Stover (as YF support person)

Apologies: Jim Green

The following is the basic outcomes of that meeting:

THE ROLES:

YF Clerk: Thomas Watts - Ongoing tasks include clerking meetings, liaising with YM clerk, keeping in touch with the other members of the YF committee, and staying on top of all YF business.

Assistant YF Clerk: Ben Watts - Ongoing tasks include taking and distributing minutes from YF meetings, creating agendas before those meetings, receiving and distributing information for YF's generally.

Communications: Julian Carver - Ongoing task include maintaining and expanding the existing communication networks. Julian is also going to act as YF Camp support person, and assist the treasurer.

Treasurer: Jim Green - Ongoing tasks will include keeping thumb on YF funds, keeping track of YF camp auditing, and liaising with YM treasurer.

Those who expressed interest in being involved with the committee but didn't want to take an explicit role on the committee have been noted and will be contacted to help out when the need arises. The YF Committee will actively seek assistance on jobs not directly related to their job descriptions.

TERMS:

We decided that appointments should be for 2 years and will run from YF Camp to YF Camp - so we will look for new people to take on the YF committee roles at YF Camp 2008. However this may need to be reviewed as a complete overhaul of the committee would remove all the institutional knowledge.. so maybe people should just have their positions reviewed or something..

YF SUPPORT PERSON:

Sue Stover has indicated that she is not comfortable remaining YF support person with two of her children also on the committee and has decided to step down from her position.

There are two options from here:

1. Appoint a new YF Support Person

2. We decide that we are a stable enough committee, confident to exist without a YF Support Person.

INTERACTION WITH THE YF GROUP

We intend to communicate with the whole YF group prior to and post committee meetings. This will be the main way decisions are made, with the committee generally just playing a coordination role.

All YF’s are welcome to attend YF committee meetings and are encouraged to do so. Some committee meetings will be held in person, and some by phone conference. The funding from Yearly Meeting to travel to these meeting will generally only be available to those on the committee however if there are people who really need to be there to speak to particular issues, financial assistance for travel may be able to be considered.

PRO-ACTIVENESS

The issue of "How pro-active do we want to be?" i.e. organizing events for YFs etc. was raised. However, with the move to becoming our own general meeting on the cards, it sounds like there is going to be plenty for us to be pro-active about, particularly in the lead up to Yearly Meeting where we foresee plenty of debate and discussion occurring. Hence we want to be in the best possible position of understanding about what it is we're trying to achieve when we get to Yearly Meeting.

YEARLY MEETING:

The YF Committee will meet again in full at Yearly Meeting along with the other YFs present. Thomas is going to talk with Lynn Richards about what our session needs to include, and if could be solely about "The Minute"? And also to find out whether Jimmy's report back about Aussie YM/YF is expected to in that presentation time slot.

We want to be well prepared for this presentation and the likely questioning that will arise. So we need to establish the Why? What? How? Who? aspects of our desire to become a general meeting in order to field these questions with understanding and confidence. In order to do this we will utilize the available internet communications networks, and talk to YF’s around NZ so that we will feel as though we are accurately representing YF’s at Yearly Meeting.

- more soon. a PDF of this will uploaded onto grouphug if you want to download that. Will keep everyone posted about YF issues and YM. cheerz ...ben!

God @ 18:17 PM   Add Comment

anna d Whilst we might be going from strength to strength I think during this period of transition it is really important to keep the YF Support role in place, as much to reassure YM as to support us!

It's a YM appointment so do we have to put names we'd be happy with to YM Nominations Cttee?

I'd be happy with either Greg or John (06/12/06)


Sunday, 21 May 2006

Ooh - I just got mail! From Penelope

Ooh - I just got mail!

From Penelope Dunkley who says that there is room for 6 YF's to sleep at the Nelson meeting house. She also says that the deadline for getting in registration is the 30th of June. I've got a blank registration form, which I can scan and send to anyone - or even better go have a look inside the NZ Friend's newsletter - there's one there on the middlest pages, so you can just rip it out.

Schweeet.

Thomas.  

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anna d OK - I've to phone Jan Marsh to see if anyone in Nelson can put people up... However I also rang Tahuna Beach Holiday Park where the event is being held and their most basic accommodation (other than tenting, ie cabins - with 6 bunks, bring your own bedding and crockery - jug, toaster & fridge provided, use of communal showers and toilets) is charged at $40 per night for the first two people then $13 per person per night for the rest, so if a cabin was full that'd be just under $15.50 per night. They have more expensive ones with cooking facilities but all meals can be got at YM. Llyn encourages you to ask your Meetings for financial assistance - each MM is supposed to fully fund 2 reps anyway and will have a fund to help out others. He recommended that if you are away at uni that unless you are particularly active and regularly attending where you are studying to ask your 'home' Meeting. You can always send a written report or report back when home in the holidays. He is anxious that no-one be prevented from attending on financial grounds so if anyone is stuck sing out! I'll update if I hear anything about crash pad accomm becoming available in Friends homes. (05/23/06)

anna d whoops - meant to say Tahuna Beach Holiday Park has a freephone number 0800 500 501 if anyone wants to book! Maybe anyone interested in sharing a cabin could say so here...? (05/23/06)

Ross oooh you shld so send me one of them bad boys. I dont get the newsletter and love the smell of freshly thomased email anyways... (05/24/06)

anna d I'm pretty sure if more people wanted to go a way could be found to put folk up - I'll give Llyn a ring and see what he says... watch this space! (05/23/06)

Ben Apparently they've all been taken? If you and leith are talking about the same accomodation that is... (05/22/06)

Leith Yeah, sorry guys . . . Jim, Bridie, Ross, Ria, Ben, Thomas, Hannah and I have snitched the available places already :) Actually, you may notice that's more than 6 . . . (05/23/06)

Marion I know of two beds in a kitchen cabin thing going spare at the moment if anyone is still in need of accommodation.... It works out at $20 each per night and you need your own linen (duvets provided). Let me know if you know of anyone currently planning to sleep in the gutter (or gatecrash some unsuspecting older Friend), who'd be interested. (07/04/06)


Young Friends Epistle

To Friends everywhere,

 

New Zealand Young Friends gathered over Easter in 2006, nestled in the Kahuterawa valley outside of Palmerston North. There were 37 of us in total, but the people grew around us as Friends graced us with their presence, then returned to their lives.

 

We relied on the hospitality and goodwill of Friends to make our camp a success and to Alastair and Anne Hall, we thank you for letting us into your home and into your hearts. We were part of the environment, engaging in the regrowth of native plants and the regrowth of ourselves.  

 

For many, Young Friends camp is one of the few instances where time freezes, enabling us to interact without the pressure of the outside world.  

 

We felt that with the wind in the trees, and the songs in the air, we could change things. And we are changing. For half a day, we pursued an elusive minute which heralds a new dawning for Young Friends in New Zealand.

 

We hope this epistle finds you well.

 

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God You guys need to believe in me. (06/01/06)

Thomas hahaha, do you honestly think I could write something like that. it's all nice... and well worded :P (05/23/06)

Thomas Hahaha, yes, this is the nostic gospel of God. Above was God 21:34. My favourite chapter. (05/22/06)

ross can we place bets? is that quakerly bad? if so dont read on but... my monies on julian. :) but i agree.. its nice (05/24/06)

Thomas Who wrote this? (05/21/06)

anna d you mean other than God@21.34 ?! Looks good to me though =) (05/22/06)

anna d yeah, of course you could - but as soon as I think of you reading it out in your mock serious tone it just creases me up! =) Sorry if that's just spoilt it for everyone else...! (05/24/06)

Leith Right, seriously Thomas . . . did you write this? Or can the real owner please own up so we can congratulate them lol :) (05/23/06)

Thomas Just to clarify - God didn't write this, i did. I'd like to formally apologise for lying. Ultimately, i wanted to provide a mystical epistle, and crediting our Lord with that seemed a relatively good way of doing it. (06/09/06)


Summer Gathering 06-07

We’re part of the Wellington-based- but-with-other-interested-people committee which is planning the next Summer Gathering, which will be in Silverstream (Hutt Valley) from 28 December to 5 January.

One of the things we would like to do this year is integrate the age groups more in each other’s activities and one of the ways we aim to do this is by giving the evening sessions/activities more of a YF focus. We envisage that this could mean that sessions might be run by YFs, but don’t panic if the idea of this would make you run away in terror… however we definitely want suggestions and feedback about the planning and structure so that everyone gets a chance to contribute. And if you would like to run session(s), or can suggest somebody else who might be good, let us know!

The theme is broadly ‘HISTORY’; with specific focus on the three areas of: international Quaker history; our own history of Quakers in New Zealand; plus, as it’s the 50th anniversary of Summer Gathering – celebrating the stories and memories of past Summer Gatherings.

We will be exploring these ideas at our next meeting, which will be in Wellington on Saturday 17 June, 10-4 at the Quaker Centre (bring lunch), and everyone is welcome to come, or let us know your thoughts beforehand if you can’t make it in person. There’s the blog (ie comment below), there’s the Grouphug email list, or our Committee email: summergathering@gmail.com or you could be old-fashioned and actually speak to us!

Looking forward to hearing from you, Frances (H), Marion, Anna, Quentin, Bridie

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Monday, 15 May 2006

Even more photos

I've finally got round to uploading a few pictures from YF camp, and some more from general YF stuff in Wellington over the last few weeks. They are on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/75455666@N00/ and tagged with either 'yfcamp2006' or 'yfs'.

Love, Frances

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Friday, 12 May 2006

YFs Gathering in India?

(taken from the newsletter of Friends World Committee for Consultation, Asia West Pacific Section... or FWCC AWPS!)

Australian Young Friends met both before and during Australian Yearly Meeting held in Brisbane in January this year. Australian YFs are involved in many of the activities of the YM, including issues around child protection, sexual abuse and misconduct and the fun and singing throughout the week. This year, many of us are particularly excited about International Quakerism. With six Australians at the WGYF in Lancaster, one at the WGYF in Kenya, and one YF at the (FWCC AWP) Section gathering in Korea, we are feeling excited about strengthening connections within the Region.

One of the ideas that came out of all this international Quakerism is to have an Asia West Pacific YF gathering. We hope this will happen at the same time as the next section gathering, in Bhopal 2008. At this stage, we are looking to make contact with each YM in the section, so would love to hear from at least one YF in each Yearly Meeting. We would like input from all YFs in the section and in the next few months will be making contact with YFs throughout the AWPS. If you are interested in being involved in organising, or willing to be an initial contact person for your YM, please contact:

Emily Chapman-Searle, em8smem@yahoo.com or Hannah Chapman-Searle, hanspan333@yahoo.com.au

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anna d Those who were at YF Camp have heard a bit about this already... Asia West Pacific Section covers a wide cross section of Quakerism, from the full on programmed evangelistic biblical literalists of the Philippines through to Aussie and Kiwi liberal unprogrammed Friends.

An oppportunity to bring together YFs from across such a broad diverse group is really exciting and hopefully we can help enable this to happen and get a good sized group going from here.

AWPS covers an enormous geographical area and many languages, additionally there is an enormous difference in economic capacities. For this event to happen a huge commitment to fundraising will be needed especially in Australia, Aotearoa NZ and Japan.

It would be good to get a discussion going here about people's thoughts about what we can do to help. Whilst I am not putting my hand up to take on any organising (it's someone elses turn!) I'm more than happy to support those that do take it on and share the lessons learned from WGYF planning etc. (05/12/06)


Sunday, 07 May 2006

Internship opportunity in Philadelphia

This came through on the WGYF email list - FGC is the branch of Quakerism in the USA closest in theology and practice to Aotearoa New Zealand YM ie liberal unprogrammed.

love & light Anna

One-Year Internship Position at Friends General Conference (mid July 2006- mid July 2007)

Friends General Conference nourishes the spiritual lives of Friends and Friends meetings in the unprogrammed tradition throughout North America. The internship is offered by the Publications and Distribution Program with additional duties under the care of the Committee for Ministry on Racism.

Brief Description of the internship In 2007 Quaker Press of FGC launches a major new book— Fit for Freedom, Not for Friendship: The Relationship between African Americans and the Religious Society of Friends from the Colonial Period to the Present (working title). Quaker Press anticipates that this two volume set of books will be of interest both within and beyond the Religious Society of Friends. The intern will assist the publications manager with promoting the book, setting up book signings, author events and other events as appropriate. She/he will learn about book marketing: researching mailing lists, preparing marketing copy, doing follow-up calls to bookstores, meetings and reviewers, placing advertisements, etc. In addition, she/he will assist the staff coordinator for the Committee for Ministry on Racism to use the book and accompanying study guide with monthly, quarterly and yearly meeting to address issues of racism within the Religious Society of Friends.

Qualifications: A member of the Religious Society of Friends - with some experience of the wider Quaker world, - some experience working against racism, - share an understanding and concern for working against racism - have completed several complex projects involving research.

Skills: marketing work requires: - excellent research skills - excellent listening skills - writing clearly and to the point - experience working with computer programs in word processing, data base management and Excel - ability to multitask and network - excellence with details, flexible and able to deal with the unexpected - personable and confident on the phone - able to handle a lot of follow up and follow through while remaining organized

Timing: begin around July 17, 2006 for approximately one year, ending with the option of attending the FGC 2007 Gathering in River Falls, WI July 1-7, 2007. Hours: Full time: 35 hours/week, 5 days/week Compensation: Salary $1500/month with benefits including health insurance Application Deadline: 5 pm, May 30, 2006

Application process Send a letter stating your interest in this internship, experience with Quaker projects both in and beyond your monthly meeting, work you’ve participated in against racism and relevant marketing and research skills. Please include a resume of education, jobs and volunteer work and a list of 3-5 references with e-mail addresses and phone numbers.

Applications can be sent to: Barbara Hirshkowitz Friends General Conference 1216 Arch Street, 2B Philadelphia, PA 19107

Applications must be received by 5pm on May 30, 2006. Interviews will be schedule in early June with a decision anticipated by mid-June. Start date in mid July.

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Friday, 05 May 2006

Mooooore Photos online

Oh yes .. well I didn't take many .. but they are now all online at http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/yfcamp2006/ so enjoy!! Luf BEN!!

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Saturday, 29 April 2006

AWOL Affirmation Sheets

ok, so some of us stuffed up - has anyone got or seen Bridie's and/or Marion's Affirmation Sheets from Camp?!

We all thought someone else was bringing them to Wellington.... sooooooooooo sorry

Fran G - I've got yours, Zanna left it with me! =)

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anna d oops - it's me who has Fran's aff sheet rather than God! No delusions of omnipotence I can assure you - as if I was I'd've remembered the other sheets... (04/29/06)

anna d Hi Leith, I emailed you Marion's address ages ago - didn't you get it? A xx (05/12/06)

Leith Hi guys, can someone email me Marion's postal address so I can send her affirmation sheet back? Also have ones for Anna Fay, Thomas Ashton, Sallie :) Any help gratefully appreciated. Will send Bridie's today hopefully :) (05/08/06)

Leith Hey guys, if you still don't know the whereabouts of your affirmation sheet . . . I've probably got it. I have a stack which were left behind so people could finish writing on them (including Marion's). If you think I might have yours could you please email me your postal address so that I can return them to you? My email is leith@netmail.co.nz. Cheers! (05/04/06)

Fran Great, i was wondering where that was! Will pick it up sometime soon :) (04/29/06)


Thursday, 27 April 2006

Llyn Richards' (the YM clerk) reply.

Dear Thomas,

Most interesting!

You have not missed White Papers since I am working on them right now, collating into the text all the Monthly Meeting and Committee reports. I am very happy to incorporate your minute.
I do have some stuff from Marion so that needs to go in also.

When I was trying to work out how YM Nominations could be more systematic I wrote a paper and sent it out with the 2005 February YM Clerk's letter, but it was a lead balloon. However, you'll be interested to know that  it contained a suggestion that YFs be included in the process when we are trying to find a suitable "name" (Quaker talk for a person!) for some particular job. I thought that idea also had never got over the thought-horizon but suddenly it has been suggested that a YF (or perhaps just a "younger person") should be on YM Nominations Committee. An idea whose time has come?

I will be pleased to have you talk to the ideas in your minutes at Yearly Meeting.  I will not be able to tell you until Gold Papers come out in early July where exactly in the programme agenda YFs will fit, but probably on Saturday afternoon.

Good to hear from you

Walk cheerfully,

Llyn


 

(posted by Thomas)

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Thomas Personally, it'd be nice to see Marion do it (as a YF( - as she is one of those bridging people - and i think it'd be nice to start off with someone who is 'slightly' older, so the wider meeting get used to the idea of having a YF on there. P.S - the minute is THE minute :P. (04/28/06)

(Anon) well... crap. good luck weeding through that :D (04/28/06)

thomas and this is what i wrote: Kia ora llyn. When we were standing on the steps of ye olde wellington meeting house, I forgot something that we needed a bit of advice on. One of the biggest things - well, definitely the biggest in terms of long term operations - that came out of our camp was a great desire for young friends to be involved as a formal seperate entity within the larger quaker community - I see it as being a mix between more seperation, combined with more involvement. We spent hours and hours whittling away at this minute: Those gathered here feel led to express our belief that Young Friends are a distinct entity and would like to be recognised as a formal structure in our own right; a status Young Friends have within other Yearly Meetings. We are considering calling ourselves Aotearoa/New Zealand Young Friend's meeting. We are guided by the definition of a General Meeting used in Britain, but do not feel we are limited by this. We ask your loving support through this process. So, yes, there we are. I realise we've missed white papers (as a side note, did Marion Leighton contact you? there were a couple of little things YF's had opinions on in documents in advance, which were all concieved with little time to get in in time for white papers), but we would still like to talk to this at Yearly Meeting. Well, we think we would like to, even if the actualy formalisation doesn't happen straight away. So, I am interested in your thoughts on the best ways to approach this with the rest of the quaker community. Kind regards, Thomas. (04/28/06)

Julian This sounds really positive. I think Marion would make a good person for YM Nominations Committee as she's had experience doing it in Wellington MM. I'm not sure she'll thank me for 'nominating' her though. Any other ideas who might be a good person for this? It'd be a really good way for YFs to be kept in the loop and considered for things. (04/27/06)

Ria what is the minute llyn was happy to incorporate? can i read what uv written thomas? (= (04/28/06)

Ria (or is it just "The Minute" from yf?) (04/28/06)

ria (thanks thomas- sorry, i thought maybe ud written something in response to one of the white pages things =P ) and i agree, Marion would be great! (04/29/06)


Sunday, 23 April 2006

yf camp photos

Kia ora tatou!

I've uploaded (most of) my photo's to Flickr now (Ben you'll be glad to know I left the most unflattering ones off =) !) Julian has done the same and you can see both lots at

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/yfcamp2006/

If anyone else uses Flickr and is uploading their pics add the tag yfcamp2006 and they'll show up here too =)

arohanui Anna D

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Thomas you're very good with those maori words anna! :P (04/25/06)


Business Meeting Minutes

I'll be honest. I couldn't find all the material. In fact, I couldn't find very much of it at all. So, if there are names I have left off the YM committee nominations please tell me (or you could even edit them yourselves!) - as a side note how exactly do we turn these into a committee and am I YF coordinator - it hasn't quite been discussed properly? 

 

Also, if there are any other minutes, that we made that you cannot see - apart from THE minute, then please tell me :D

 

Minutes from the Young Friends meeting for worship for business (15th – 16th April 2006)

 

1.      David started by welcoming everybody to the meeting including our international travelers – Thomas Ashton (the Australian YM representative), Beth Smith and Alex Simpson (both from the UK)

 

2.      The following people nominated themselves for writing the camp epistle: Thomas Watts

                   Avon Pugmire

                   Leith Pugmire

                                     Charlotte Gordon

                       

They were reminded the epistle is not simply a report on what happened at the camp; rather an attempt to capture the workings of the spirit at the camp.

 

3.      David Mottram has stepped down from his roles as YF coordinator and Camp coordinator. The following people have been nominated for specific positions on the YF committee:

Thomas Watts (YF coordinator)

Julian Carver (Yfronts – YF communications)

Jimmy Green (Treasurer)

Ben Watts (Co-coordinator)

While, the following people have expressed an interest with being on the committee in some form: Chris Mottram, Chris Hall, Suzanna Remmerswaal, Richard Mottram, Leith Pugmire and Bridie Zwanikken.

 

We feel that the Young Friends committee should encompass the 4-8 people that have been nominated. It is hoped that the advancements in YF communication (as outlined in minute 4) will make it easier for a greater level of involvement from the rest of the group.

 

4.      The feeling of the meeting was that we wanted a way to stay in touch with each other. There were a number of suggestions including the possibility of a newsletter, weblog and an internet forum. Whilst doing this, we would like to remain sensitive towards overburdening inboxes with information

 

5.      Jimmy Green spoke of his experiences as the New Zealand Yearly Meeting representative to Australian YM and YF. The following people have been nominated by the group:

Avon, Simon and Rowan Lookmire (as a threesome)

Joe Beautrais

Anna Fay

Bridie Zwanikken

Chris Hall

Fran Gliesner

Joanne Hall

Ria Pugmire

Suzanna Remmerswaal

 

 

6.      The dates for New Zealand Yearly Meeting were tabled and it was hoped that there would be as great a YF contingent as possible – ie more than just those who went to WGYF and AYM/YF.

 

7.      We read Sue Stover’s proposal regarding what we see as a blurring of the upper age range at JYF. We support this proposal as we see it as a excellent way for YF’s to get leadership experience. Also, we see it as being a better way to lessen the jump from being a JYF to becoming a YF.

 

Love and Light.

Thomas.

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Thomas

that sounds neat - i'm in the process of being snowed under (it like knowing someone is going to drop a bucket of water on you from above you, but you can't move away from it)... so, yes, i'm happy to wait.

 

though, it'd be nice to have done by the time YM comes around...

(04/30/06)

Leith Pugmire Heya guys :) With regards to the epistle, I've been bugging Julian to conjure us up a yf wiki so that we can team-write the thing (hmmm, not sure how my name got on that epistle-writing list by the way, but this should get me out of it lol). A wiki is a thing on the web that anyone can edit, and all the changes/versions are logged. Like wikipedia :) (04/29/06)

thomas well, actually no - i'm happy to palm it off onto somebody... it was one of those things that got pushed further and further down the list. So - actually - if anybody has any great suggestions of things that have should be in the epistle let me know, and i'll do my darndest to write it. (04/28/06)

anna d do we have an epistle yet? (04/25/06)


The Minute

Those gathered here feel led to express our belief that Young Friends are a distinct entity and would like to be recognised as a formal structure in our own right; a status Young Friends have within other Yearly Meetings.

 

We are considering calling ourselves Aotearoa/New Zealand Young Friend’s meeting.

 

We are guided by the definition of a General Meeting used in Britain, but do not feel we are limited by this.

 

We ask your loving support through this process.

 

Comments? Criticisms? Rubber Stamping? All welcome.

 

May God hold you all in the light.

 

(Thomas)

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anna d Hope so! - rubber stamped =)

thanks Thomas, and David & Marion for their clerking.

By the way Wellington seem to be organising the next YF camp... all offers of help appreciated! (04/23/06)

thomas haha, yes, after to-ing and fro-ing we resorted back to process. (04/24/06)

Ria hurrah! did we decide we were happy with "process"? anyway, looks good to me... (rubber stamp)? (= (04/23/06)

Thomas Well, to be fair... it wasn't THAT Quakerly... Like, we read things out like a minute - but there wasn't much only talking once and such like :P. I don't think it would have been very productive going totally quaker on it. (04/30/06)

Leith Hehe . . . quaker is as quaker does?! (05/04/06)

Leith Pugmire Hurrah from me too :) Go The Minute! A bastion of light proclaiming to the world that quaker processes work if only you've the stubborness (or should that be 'bladder'?) to see them through! (04/29/06)

Julian Great to see it in writing. Apparently some other Monthly Meetings are already using laptop & datashows so that people can see minutes as they're evolving rather than having to read them out over and over. So we could do that next time. So now the minutes go to the YM Clerk for inclusion in white papers? (04/25/06)


Tuesday, 18 April 2006

Deuteronomy 29:19

'If anyone should think to himself, "I will do well enough if I follow the dictates of my heart,"...'

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Deuteronomy 29:20

'...Yahweh will not pardon him. His wrath shall burn against him.'

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Deuteronomy 29:20

'And all the curses written in the book will come upon him.'

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Deuteronomy 29:20

'Yahweh will single him out for misfortune and blot out his name from under heaven.'

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Ria Yay for Leith and Thomas!! (who did most of the work)... these start us off on the right foot..or maybe the left...cant wait to see other people's posts and comments (especially photos as my camera's broken and i didnt get any) (= luv to all (04/20/06)

Ross Yay for burning for your beliefs! woot! i reckon the little skele-dude's dying one of them happy martyr deaths coz he's still smiling on the second smitin. So maybe even a deeper meaning to an already excellent moral tale ;oP yay for bloggyness!

(oh BTW my MSN addy is the same as the one listed below for all u LOLers out there) (04/23/06)

anna d ditto messenger thingy! (04/25/06)

BenBridie&Zanna weeeeeeeeeeeelll isn't this nice, hellfire and milldew upon you all! maybe we'll use this for something sensible sometime soon but for now ... we can't really think of anything weighty worth saying .. so bubye ;) PS NICE WORK YOU GUYS ROCK OUR SOCKS INTERNET BLOG BUDDIES (04/21/06)

Thomas I just love how unneccesary this extra burning is. (04/21/06)

Ria (ooh yes- mine too... feel free to add me) (04/23/06)

anna d the bigfoot one that is, but I'm on yahoo messenger too with the other address... (04/25/06)


Email Addresses

Right, well, here's my first post . . . I'm gonna add my email address as a comment below, and then you guys can email me or add me to your msn contacts list. Yay! Feel free to do the same if you're so inclined :) This blog is unlisted, so people can only find it if they type in the exact url, so hopefully there won't be any non-yf-type-people snitching your details off here . . .

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BenBridie&Zanna ben= ben@noize.co.nz bridz= bridie_z@yahoo.com.au zanna= zannaR@gmail.com (04/21/06)

Mel B-C Mel B-C: meli_benson@hotmail.com (05/16/06)

anna d annadunford@bigfoot.com or annadunford@yahoo.co.uk - both end up in the same place so you only need to use one not both! =) (04/25/06)

Ross Hebden ross@netmail.co.nz (04/18/06)

Leith Pugmire leith@netmail.co.nz (04/18/06)

Thomas God bless the Pugmires.

god_of_shoez@hotmail.com (04/18/06)

Ria Pugmire riap@netwin.co.nz (04/18/06)

Avon Lookmire avonp@netwin.co.nz (04/20/06)


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